Bastards.

Post by Dave Plowman (News)
They wrote off a very respectable Zephyr MkII on 'The Royal' tonight. Not
the usual cutaway where we find the car with 'steam' coming out of it and
covered in mud, but well and truly f**ked. The 'dead' lovey was only
acting, but the car wasn't. Bastards.

They probably didn't. They usually use a real shed for the "dead" cars,
with a quick tart-up.

Dave Plowman (News)

2005-03-07 00:26:39 UTC

Post by Dave Plowman (News)
They wrote off a very respectable Zephyr MkII on 'The Royal' tonight.
Not the usual cutaway where we find the car with 'steam' coming out of
it and covered in mud, but well and truly f**ked. The 'dead' lovey was
only acting, but the car wasn't. Bastards.

They probably didn't. They usually use a real shed for the "dead" cars,
with a quick tart-up.

Yup. But non low line Zephyrs ain't that expensive and the cost of tarting
up a wreck to look ok is likely to exceed that. Oh - and finding one with
the same interior as the one they used for the series would be difficult.

IMHO, they wrecked a good car.

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George Weatherley

2005-03-07 09:25:40 UTC

Post by Dave Plowman (News)
They wrote off a very respectable Zephyr MkII on 'The Royal' tonight.
Not the usual cutaway where we find the car with 'steam' coming out of
it and covered in mud, but well and truly f**ked. The 'dead' lovey was
only acting, but the car wasn't. Bastards.

They probably didn't. They usually use a real shed for the "dead" cars,
with a quick tart-up.

I agree that car lookd not too bad they normaly find one really on its last
leg but taht looked like it still had a lot of good metal on it. ( i no its
hard to tell on T.V but like u guys what i saw suggetsed it was too good for
that) I have noticed with teh royal and heartbeat they tendto smash up the
cars that are not are not going to cost alot to buy.

Seams very sad at times.

Is it me or dont both the programs seam to have a alotof car accidents for
quite Yorkshire Villages in the 1960`s?? May be i am wrong as i wasnt about
then!

All the best.
George

Chris Bolus

2005-03-07 17:32:14 UTC

They probably didn't. They usually use a real shed for the "dead" cars,
with a quick tart-up.

I thought that, but a "shed" would crack (filler) and crumble (rust) on
impact. This one bent, like good clean metal.

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Adrian

2005-03-07 17:54:00 UTC

Post by Adrian
They probably didn't. They usually use a real shed for the "dead"
cars, with a quick tart-up.

I thought that, but a "shed" would crack (filler) and crumble (rust)
on impact. This one bent, like good clean metal.

Ah, OK. It sounds like they probably did use a good 'un, then.

I didn't see it - it's the spin-off (never a good sign in the first place)
from the unutterably dire Heartbeat, isn't it?

Still - at least it wasn't anything interesting. Only a Zephyr.

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Dave Plowman (News)

2005-03-07 18:46:10 UTC

Post by Adrian
Still - at least it wasn't anything interesting. Only a Zephyr.

I'd love to try one again. Happy memories as a kid of that steam engine
torque - which I still loved after I'd actually (much later) driven one.
And I still think they look gorgeous. Far better than equivalent BMC,
Vauxhall or Roots type thingies. And arguably as good as the Jag MkII.

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Geoff Mackenzie

2005-03-10 14:28:19 UTC

Post by Adrian
Still - at least it wasn't anything interesting. Only a Zephyr.

Off topic as usual.... well, there's a Zephyr connection....

In my yoof I used to make beer money at weekends by body repairing and
spraying cars. One time a chap with a white Mk 3 Zephyr (Zodiac?) came in
with a mild front three quarter shunt. Having ascertained that it was
within my capabilities, i.e. nothing structural, no welding, just a bit of
tin bashing, pudden and a blow over, I took it on.

Fun came when re-fitting the "pod" which holds the side light. IIRC it was
held on by three screws, and you had to remove it to change the bulb.

Unfortunately I did the final fitting on a Sunday afternoon, after my usual
choir practice at the Duke's Head with possibly a number of pints of Young's
Ordinary on board. I painted the indentation on the wing behind the pod
bright red, and with the aid of some Araldite affixed a set of dentures -
front upper and lower deck, about six teeth in all - the pod still fitted
perfectly and was duly mounted.

Wish I could have been present when the next person removed the pod to
change the bulb.

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Chris Bolus

2005-03-07 20:41:16 UTC

Post by Adrian
They probably didn't. They usually use a real shed for the "dead"
cars, with a quick tart-up.

I thought that, but a "shed" would crack (filler) and crumble (rust)
on impact. This one bent, like good clean metal.

Ah, OK. It sounds like they probably did use a good 'un, then.
I didn't see it - it's the spin-off (never a good sign in the first place)
from the unutterably dire Heartbeat, isn't it?

Depends what you like I suppose. I like the music and I like the cars,
which make it worth watching.

Dave Plowman (News)

2005-03-07 23:16:53 UTC

Post by Chris Bolus
Depends what you like I suppose. I like the music and I like the cars,
which make it worth watching.

Yup - and the locations.

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Del The Obscure

2005-03-08 21:15:05 UTC

Post by Adrian
They probably didn't. They usually use a real shed for the "dead"
cars, with a quick tart-up.

I thought that, but a "shed" would crack (filler) and crumble (rust)
on impact. This one bent, like good clean metal.

Ah, OK. It sounds like they probably did use a good 'un, then.
I didn't see it - it's the spin-off (never a good sign in the first place)
from the unutterably dire Heartbeat, isn't it?

Depends what you like I suppose. I like the music and I like the cars,
which make it worth watching.

The only reasons I watch it too. But I'm intrigued...how does a show set
in the 1960s last for thirteen years, when the 60s only lasted for ten?
:o)

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Mark W

2005-03-09 17:42:03 UTC

Post by Adrian
like

Post by Adrian
They probably didn't. They usually use a real shed for the "dead"
cars, with a quick tart-up.

I thought that, but a "shed" would crack (filler) and crumble (rust)
on impact. This one bent, like good clean metal.

Ah, OK. It sounds like they probably did use a good 'un, then.
I didn't see it - it's the spin-off (never a good sign in the first

place)

Post by Adrian
from the unutterably dire Heartbeat, isn't it?

Depends what you like I suppose. I like the music and I like the cars,
which make it worth watching.

The only reasons I watch it too. But I'm intrigued...how does a show set
in the 1960s last for thirteen years, when the 60s only lasted for ten?
:o)
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For the same reason that M*A*S*H ran for several times longer than the
Korean War :o)

Anonymouse

2005-03-15 19:59:13 UTC

Post by Del The Obscure
The only reasons I watch it too. But I'm intrigued...how does a show set
in the 1960s last for thirteen years, when the 60s only lasted for ten?
:o)
Del

Hi,

the series "MASH" lasted for longer than the Korean War.

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Howard Rose

2005-03-07 23:49:01 UTC

Post by Adrian
They probably didn't. They usually use a real shed for the "dead"
cars, with a quick tart-up.

I thought that, but a "shed" would crack (filler) and crumble (rust)
on impact. This one bent, like good clean metal.

Ah, OK. It sounds like they probably did use a good 'un, then.
I didn't see it - it's the spin-off (never a good sign in the first place)
from the unutterably dire Heartbeat, isn't it?

Better than most things on TV nowadays! Except Scrapheap challenge,
that is one fantastic show.

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2005-03-07 01:48:34 UTC

On Sun, 06 Mar 2005 23:03:17 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"

It was probably a tatty car that was tarted up, but I expect it was
still something half decent and restorable :-(

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Adrian

2005-03-07 08:57:56 UTC

Post by Howard Rose
It was probably a tatty car that was tarted up, but I expect it was
still something half decent

No, I'm sure Dave would recognise a Zephyr.

Jim Warren

2005-03-07 10:01:35 UTC

Didn't see it, thank goodness. I hate the way some TV programmes trash old
cars.

The one I did see that upset me was in Ballykissangel where the script
required a decent Jowett Javelin to run downhill and into a quarry after the
driver parked and got out. I am pretty sure that was a decent Jowett
because when you heard it running, the exhaust sounded right. Bastards
indeed!

Jim

Adrian

2005-03-07 10:28:09 UTC

Post by Jim Warren
The one I did see that upset me was in Ballykissangel where the script
required a decent Jowett Javelin to run downhill and into a quarry
after the driver parked and got out. I am pretty sure that was a
decent Jowett because when you heard it running, the exhaust sounded
right. Bastards indeed!

They will have dubbed the engine soundtrack on afterwards. The car they
trashed was probably a non-runner.

Seriously - they use the clubs and local classic dealers to source these
cars, and they tend not to trash decent cars. Not to say it hasn't
happened, but it certainly doesn't do as a rule.

I recall a few years ago an article in the Citroenian giving some "behind
the scenes" info - a DS was driven into a ditch on one TV program - it
looked *very* nice, and had been used in a lot of other scenes in the
program.

Well, no.

Two good ones had been used for the exterior and interior shots, and one
utter shed had been dragged out of a field and tarted over for that one
shot. Afterwards, it was stripped for parts - which is all it was good for
before. Very few usable bits were lost. Yet, on screen, it was UTTERLY
convincing. Even if you knew, it was very difficult to tell.

DocDelete

2005-03-07 11:56:53 UTC

Post by Adrian
Seriously - they use the clubs and local classic dealers to source these
cars, and they tend not to trash decent cars. Not to say it hasn't
happened, but it certainly doesn't do as a rule.

Remember that notorious bit from Elderado years ago? Not a fan of the
programme (honest) but I recall it being mentioned and seeing a clip. Rather
than trash a bright yellow Renault Alpine sports they faked up a bright
yellow fixed head TR7 to "look the same" !!! Haha! Dead funny to see the
bits of MDF flying off at the moment of impact.

Don't think they conned anyone, and they removed a TR7 from the food chain!

Cue TR7 detractors and praisers!

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2005-03-07 14:37:25 UTC

Post by DocDelete

Post by Adrian
Seriously - they use the clubs and local classic dealers to source
these cars, and they tend not to trash decent cars. Not to say it
hasn't happened, but it certainly doesn't do as a rule.

Remember that notorious bit from Elderado years ago? Not a fan of the
programme (honest) but I recall it being mentioned and seeing a clip.
Rather than trash a bright yellow Renault Alpine sports they faked up a
bright yellow fixed head TR7 to "look the same" !!! Haha! Dead funny to
see the bits of MDF flying off at the moment of impact.

In this case (The Royal) it had to be a decent car as it was shot wide to
show the accident in all its glory. Actually far better done than faked
ones, where the car sufferers little actual damage and can be repaired.
And in no way was it a tarted up wreck - you'd have seen the filler etc
come off as the car was damaged on near every panel.

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Andy

2005-03-09 10:37:49 UTC

Post by DocDelete

Post by Adrian
Seriously - they use the clubs and local classic dealers to source
these cars, and they tend not to trash decent cars. Not to say it
hasn't happened, but it certainly doesn't do as a rule.

Remember that notorious bit from Elderado years ago? Not a fan of the
programme (honest) but I recall it being mentioned and seeing a clip.
Rather than trash a bright yellow Renault Alpine sports they faked up a
bright yellow fixed head TR7 to "look the same" !!! Haha! Dead funny to
see the bits of MDF flying off at the moment of impact.

I watched the programme and thought "how did they do that?". I didn't
see broken glass flying around, which tells me that they must have
removed it prior to filming. Neither did I see any oil, petrol,
clutch/brake fluid or windscreen washer fluid being thrown around. Would
the local council allow a complete car to be thrown off the end of the
prom in this way? Would they have had to remove the engine, petrol tank,
clutch/brake fluid containers before the stunt was performed?
Now why didn't I video The Royal instead of watching it...? Ho hum...
-Andy.

Del The Obscure

2005-03-10 21:27:29 UTC

Post by Andy

Post by DocDelete

Post by Adrian
Seriously - they use the clubs and local classic dealers to source
these cars, and they tend not to trash decent cars. Not to say it
hasn't happened, but it certainly doesn't do as a rule.

Remember that notorious bit from Elderado years ago? Not a fan of the
programme (honest) but I recall it being mentioned and seeing a clip.
Rather than trash a bright yellow Renault Alpine sports they faked up a
bright yellow fixed head TR7 to "look the same" !!! Haha! Dead funny to
see the bits of MDF flying off at the moment of impact.

repaired.

Post by Andy

Post by Dave Plowman (News)
And in no way was it a tarted up wreck - you'd have seen the filler etc
come off as the car was damaged on near every panel.

In Coronation Street, when a VW/Seat/Ford Shalambraxy was driven into
the canal, it was stripped completely of any fluids. It was basically a
shell with interior on four wheels...

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Dave Plowman (News)

2005-03-11 00:06:43 UTC

Post by Del The Obscure

Post by Andy
I watched the programme and thought "how did they do that?". I didn't
see broken glass flying around, which tells me that they must have
removed it prior to filming. Neither did I see any oil, petrol,
clutch/brake fluid or windscreen washer fluid being thrown around.
Would the local council allow a complete car to be thrown off the end
of the prom in this way? Would they have had to remove the engine,
petrol tank, clutch/brake fluid containers before the stunt was
performed? Now why didn't I video The Royal instead of watching it...?
Ho hum...

In Coronation Street, when a VW/Seat/Ford Shalambraxy was driven into
the canal, it was stripped completely of any fluids. It was basically a
shell with interior on four wheels...

I'd think so, since it would be near impossible to clean up the canal
afterwards.

However, I'd love to see that episode of the Royal again, record it, and
analyses the crash. My recollection is that we saw it go over the sea wall
from the road in one wide shot. If there was a cut - to allow it to be
changed into a rolling shell - it was *very* well done. Nor would I expect
fluids to be thrown around - merely to leak out afterwards. And windows
wouldn't break unless directly hit or subjected to stress through
distortion.

The scene of the crash would have been cleaned up professionally
afterwards. All councils would insist on this - and any decent TV company
would expect to anyway.

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Adrian

2005-03-11 09:02:48 UTC

Post by Dave Plowman (News)
The scene of the crash would have been cleaned up professionally
afterwards. All councils would insist on this - and any decent TV
company would expect to anyway.

and so would minimise the clean-up cost as much as possible, by taking any
'orrible oily bits or smashable glass away.

Donal Flynn

2021-07-10 05:15:03 UTC

Hi Jim, that jowett javelin ZO2222 survives, I drive it regularly! They used a mock up made up out of a vw beetle. If you look you can make out the floor pan and the rear where engine should be!

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2021-07-10 14:53:47 UTC

Hi Jim, that jowett javelin ZO2222 survives, I drive it regularly! They used a mock up made up out of a vw beetle. If you look you can make out the floor pan and the rear where engine should be!!

That is good news. I owned a Jowett Javelin in the early 1970s and it
was a nice car to drive, and engineered a lot better than most of its
contemporaries. I hated the idea that one might have been treated as a
disposable prop. I am really glad it wasn't.

Jim

Davey

2021-07-10 15:39:14 UTC

On Sat, 10 Jul 2021 15:53:47 +0100

Post by Indy Jess John

Post by Donal Flynn
Hi Jim, that jowett javelin ZO2222 survives, I drive it regularly!
They used a mock up made up out of a vw beetle. If you look you can
make out the floor pan and the rear where engine should be!!

That is good news. I owned a Jowett Javelin in the early 1970s and
it was a nice car to drive, and engineered a lot better than most of
its contemporaries. I hated the idea that one might have been treated
as a disposable prop. I am really glad it wasn't.
Jim

The nearest I ever got to a Javelin was a Bradford van, made by Jowett.
The engine was amazing, it would pull in top (third) so slowly that you
could hear the individual pistons firing. But the steering was almost
lethal, the van oscillated down the road as the driver tried to get the
loose steering under control, and managed a counter-rhythm. Tightening
the adjustment on the box only improved it for a time.
But it was fun and educational. This was back in the early 1970s, and
it was lovely the number of 'old boys' who would stop and chat and
fondly reminisce about their times working with Bradford Vans when they
were younger.

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Ian Johnston

2005-03-07 17:36:44 UTC